Friday, July 13, 2007

New York Times - avatars - slide show

Do people's avatars represent them? Here's a slide show of side-by-side pixs of avatars and their human associates:

Thursday, July 12, 2007

Ilene's pbwiki for more resources

Just a reminder thatthere are more resources about Second Life for educators at Ilene's wiki. Let me know if there is any information you'd like me to add. You can use my gmail account: ilene.frank at

Events in Second Life July 12-19, 2007

SL workshop participants: Here are some events for the week of July 12-19 where you will find educators to talk to about Second Life.

July 12 Michigan Library Consortium Grand Opening
4PM PDT (SL Time ) - 7PM PDT (SL TIME)
The landmark is: Cybrary City II

This just in from Desideria Stockton via the SLED list - posted July 12:

"Literature Alive! is happy to announce the launch of Dante's Inferno and Gloria Naylor's Linden Hills at

Many thanks to Larry Pixel at NMC for donating the temporary space, and to Eloise Pasteur for volunteering her time and efforts in building.and scripting.

The Inferno is only available until NEXT WEDNESDAY, as the land space is only temporary (hint hint, it is looking for a permanent home). So, if you would like to see it, pop on over! "


NMC Poster Sessions Reprise, Summer Conference, July 13-20.
Become a member of the NMC Group. Use the Search tab --> Groups -->
NMC Guests and click "join (L$0)"
The landmark is: NMC Campus Huntley Ballroom

Alan Levine posted some additional information on the SLED list for later dates and I'm copying it here:

"From July 20-27, we will be putting on display most, if not all, of the 23 poster presentations that were at the June 2007 NMC Summer Conference in Indianapolis.

The posters will include note cards and associated URLs, and we are scheduling a time on July 20, 1:00-3:00 PM (SLT/PDT, check local time when we invite the presenters to be in world so you can ask questions or chat with them about their projects. And since NMC Campus is now voice enabled... you are be able to have direct audio chats with them and each other.

This will take place on the main NMC Campus sim NMC Campus 113,100,26 ( on the green surrounding the Gonick Amphitheater. During the week, we will have a rotation going from presentations, videos, podcasts form the conference available on the screens at the Gonick.

Look for more details at


July 13 Book Talk
McCarthy's Bar: a journey of discovery in Ireland

The landmark is: Reader's Garden - Cybrary City II (34, 246, 22)
Reader's Garden / Book Discussion, Cybrary City II (34, 246, 22)


July 14 Book Talk
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
Saturday 12 PM PDT - Sat Jul 14 1PM PDT (SL TIME)

The landmark is: Reader's Garden - Cybrary City II (34, 246, 22)
Reader's Garden / Book Discussion, Cybrary City II


July 15 Fashion Show
Fashion Show -- 5pm PDT. (SL Time)

You are invited to view our new showcase of casual, formal and
business wear for the northern summer season of 2007. Freebies, top-
of-the-line catwalk show in classy surroundings, after show party
with live DJ. A must see event for all you SL fashionistas! If you
can't find us on the day, IM Bianca Zanetti or Farkin Moody and we'll
send a limo for you!

I know people have had trouble getting into past shows, but this time
we have a whole sim to ourselves! So, come on by.


The landmark is: Villa Straylight, Felicidad (83, 186, 51)


July 15 Come to a party!
Party and Dedication Ceremony for ELVEN -- July 15, 2007 6 PM PDT (SL TIME)
There will be a party and dedication ceremony for the ELVEN (Educators and Librarians in Virtual Environments) Institute.
There will be food and dancing. Please join us.

The landmark is: Cybrary City 2


July 19 Residents with Disabilities
Meeting on Services for Residents with Disabilities -- 10 AM PDT (SL TIME)

On Thursday July 19 at 10 am sl, the ivinnie Accessibility Center on HealthInfo Island
will host a meeting for all groups and indivdiuals interested in providing services
for Second Life residents with disabilities. The ivinnie Center will officially open in August - more details to come - and will feature events, programs, library exhibits and resources to be created for individuals with disabilities as well as for educators and others...

The landmark is: HealthInfo Island


Friday, July 6, 2007

Watch and listen to a VoiceThread version Kevin Jarrett's presentation A K-20 Educator's Journey Through Second Life from the Second Life Best Practices in Education conference held May 2007.

Thursday, July 5, 2007

Second Life: What policies need to be in place?

Participants in the workshop asked about policies. Some policies might be developed an institution-wide level - And some at the course level. Another thing to consider is the Second Life Code of Conduct. Some examples of policies:

Second Life: Second Life Code of Conduct

The New Media Consortium's Second Life Campus Code of Conduct

Lists of skills, competencies for Second Life

Another request from workshop participants... What do users have to know before tackling Second Life as a teaching/learning environment? These are the basics! The New Media Consortium has some good "getting started" material. and another list developed for their Hit the Ground Running workshop in 2007.

One burning question...Do you have to know how to build things yourself? Not necessarily! You can find and use things for free - everything from buildings to gadgets to clothes and accessories. However, if students will be expected to build in order to fulfill their course requirments, faculty should know how to build!

Health Info - Second Life

A few people in the workshop are interested in health-related locations on Second life. Posted in the SLED discussion list:

Avatar Knoh Oh (SL Healthcare Tourist) is doing a great job of documenting health-related locations in SL here:
-- Sean

Copy of the Virtual Web Quest (or SL Quest!)

This web quest was given out on a notecard at our Second Life TLTGroup workshop:

Virtual Web Quest about Learning Spaces

Objective: Develop some ideas about constitutes an excellent virtual learning space in 3D immersive environments

What should virtual learning spaces look like? Will they be just be a replica of what exists in 2007 in real life, or will they be much more creative and informal?

Work as a team to identify what makes a good virtual world learning space and why. Be prepared with some remarks for the next workshop session.

Set up a team meeting to visit learning spaces on Second Life.
Make sure you identify a ‘meeting chairperson’ and a scribe to take notes so that you can refer to them later. To save the chat history, click Edit --> Preferences --> Communication --> click Log Chat and choose a location on your computer for the text file.

Visit a number of learning spaces in Second Life using the Resources section below as a starting point, and look at how they have been set up. What are the key features of each learning space you visited? – and how will you know if they are successful learning spaces that help learners to learn?

(To search for these locations, use Search --> Places tab --> include mature content
• SL Ecosystem [SL Location: Terminus 147, 106, 27] – Search term: SL Ecosystem.
o SLurl:
• Academy of Second Learning: ASL [SL Location: Eson 32, 162, 351] – Search term: Academy of Second Learning.
o SLurl:
• SL Computer History Museum [SL Location: Info Island II 241, 54, 23] – Search Term: SL Computer History Museum.
o SLurl:
• EduNation [SL Location: EduNation 70, 49, 23] – Search term: EduNation. Free seminar facilities for educators.
o SLurl:
• Reef Ball Coral Reef Library [SL Location: Changmi 167, 81, 110] - Search term: Reef Ball.
o SLurl:
• English Village [SL Location: English Village 131, 156, 126] – Search term: English Village
o SLurl:
• Literature Alive [SL Location: Eduisland II 186, 241, 22] Search term: literature alive.
o SLurl:
. Terra Incognita [SL Location: Terra incognita 156 99 33] Search term: Terra Incognita
o SLurl:

This learning activity has been adapted from for a more detailed version of this virtual quest that includes ideas about evaluating the activity and suggests some additional outcomes. Visit Education UK island:

TLT Workshop Second Life Session July 5 - Transcript

Transcript from the July 5th TLT Workshop Session held in Second Life.

[Some conversation started before I was able to get to the session. I've edited IMs that were sent to me - I edited out some of the housekeeping about giving out the notecard for the Virtual Web Quest, I left out some of the "goodbyes" at the end of the session -- Ilene Frank]

Dunora Allen: Don't we all? That's the lure of teaching
Meghan Forder: I like being able to investigate new technology all the time
Drew Rodinia: We are!

Drew Rodinia: Thanks, Lisa!

Drew Rodinia: Ilene, did you want to start, or should I?
You: Drew, go ahead!
Drew Rodinia: ok...welcome, everyone!
You: I'll make sure I start a transcript of our chat.

Drew Rodinia: Your arriving here in the auditorium in Cybrary City is an important first step.

Drew Rodinia: We're going to use this hour to discuss educational goals and how the tools should meet those goals.
Drew Rodinia: So let me ask you all to do this for us....

Drew Rodinia: and you can do this all at the same time, as you like...
Drew Rodinia: Tell us, in a sentence or two, what would be an educational objective/goal....
Drew Rodinia: that you would like to meet, and that you think Second Life would be able to help you fulfill.
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: shared technologies! :)

Drew Rodinia: Jazz, your objective is shared technologies? Could you elaborate?
JuliaJ Jewell: To identify ways in second life that I can use it as another "way of learning" for my undergrads.... A way that I can build this into the course.
SteveGilbertSir Heron: Help some faculty at a university find ways of using SmartBoards in classrooms that take advantage of that technology - not just fancy version of chalkboard!
Ida Recreant: To help students see issues, e.g. legal issues, from the perspective of a variety of stakeholders, through experience
Drew Rodinia: Julia, what kind of undergrads do you have?
JuliaJ Jewell: Can you clarify?
Meghan Forder: building communities
Drew Rodinia: Ida, can you give some examples of legal issues?
Diane42b Vollmar: I would like to engage in more proactive dialogue surrounding black education history.
Dunora Allen: Honestly, I do a lot of group work in my online classes, and I'm looking for a way to help my students form more realistic communities.
Drew Rodinia: Julia, are they in certain disciplines? Certain courses?
Kate Bradley: to find the best use of this environment for teaching
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, interesting! What do you find lacking in your existing online classes?
Drew Rodinia: Kate, what types of teaching are you trying to accomplish?
Computer Jewell: possibly use SL as a delivery system for some content in our online classes.
Ida Recreant: Drew, for example, I'm teaching a sports marketing law class in the fall and I'd like students to be able to negotiate an indorsement contract to represent a company and to look at the implications of such a contract to the community, the company, the athlete, etc.

JuliaJ Jewell: I chair the undergrad program, so would be interested in all. But, I teach behavioral courses, so thought that the online component might be something useful for community, conflict resolution, group dynamics... I'm not sure, but assume there's alot here for me to learn and apply ;,)
Ariadne Yiyuan: I'd like to see more intra-curriculum building. SL incorporates so many disciplines, it would be nice to develop a class that would extend throughout the college.
Drew Rodinia: Diane, what tools are you already using for that?
Drew Rodinia: Ida, very interesting!!!
Dunora Allen: The students HAVE to form groups, but I've noticed in my f2f classes the groups tend to communicate better and be more invested in the group's project. I'd like to find a way to replicate that experience for my fully online students.
Kate Bradley: i want to help instructors know how to best use the environment for their classes, whatever the subject

Drew Rodinia: Julia, are you already using tools to meet those kinds of goals?

JuliaJ Jewell: 5 different business majors... Finance, Acctg, Mktg, IB and general Bus Admin
Ida Recreant: Dunora and Julia, I also use groups and the dynamics are definitely different in the online courses--I'd like them to get better.
Drew Rodinia: so some of you are teaching specific subjects, and some of you are in a faculty support role helping a variety of faculty?
Kate Bradley: yes, I support faculty

Ida Recreant: Drew, I actually do both;
Drew Rodinia: Ida, ah!
JuliaJ Jewell: Drew, you're right
Computer Jewell: yes. I do both.
Dunora Allen: I teach technical and professional writing, and am always looking for ways to model real-life experiences.
Drew Rodinia: Can some of you talk a bit about the tools you're already using? And what is lacking in them?

Kate Bradley: we use Bb, there is not a lot active learning
Diane42b Vollmar: i am a doctoral student and expect to be in a faculty/research position soon. so i am interested in SL for teaching and research.
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, so modeling of real life is an objective for you?
Ida Recreant: I use blackboard's discussion forum and some occasional online virtual chat
You: Kate, you are right about Blackboard - It's a great place to save files and trade messages - but it seems sort of flat!
Ariadne Yiyuan: We are using WebCT. I find it to be a confining box. This gives me much more creative freedom.
Drew Rodinia: so some of you are usin gmessage boards and some online chat

Ida Recreant: Actually, I think I just want to say "ditto" to everyone
Kate Bradley: yes
Ida Recreant: 's objectives
Dunora Allen: I use WebCT and online chat systems (Trillium).

Drew Rodinia: so we've got teaching faculty, and people who support faculty, and some use Blackboard (or similar) systems, but they aren't enough?
Nea Munro: I teach Psychiatric Nurse Practitioners. An objective is that the students learn to do pspychotherapy, and understand group dynamics, so I am interested in what Julia Jewel and Ida Recrant have to say.
JuliaJ Jewell: what was that? Prey tell, did a studnt enter our midsts?
Kirstie Merlin: Is anyone (other than Ida) using this in their library?
Kate Bradley: yes Drew, I would agree
Drew Rodinia: ok, this is helpin me to understand where you are now....
Dunora Allen: Exactly - they are one-dimensional, and students seem to feel that way as well.
Drew Rodinia: so your objectives are....I'm gonna go out on a limb here....
Kate Bradley: Kristie- no library use for us yet
Drew Rodinia: some richer communication experiences? Modeling of real life? What else?
Ida Recreant: Kristie, we haven't used it in the library yet; there's interest in exploring the use of SL
Kirstie Merlin: Great
You: Kristie, Drew and Joe and I are librarians - but not a lot going on directly at USF yet in SL - mostly just us!
Nea Munro: I would love to find a group of nursing educators who ar interested in building and practice community for nurse practitioner students.
Ida Recreant: Drew, that sounds good to me
Drew Rodinia: Nea, what would that look like, do you think?
JuliaJ Jewell: My thought is that we already have the 4 ways of learning... hearing, doing... could second life be another form of learning?
You: Nea, there are other health educators on here - I think I can get you a list!
Computer Jewell: Yes it could be
Ariadne Yiyuan: Risk taking. I've done things in SL I would never do in RL. I think the quiet students would be more inclined to interact.
Drew Rodinia: Julia, exchange of voice...building things? Those types of learning?
Ida Recreant: JuliaJ yes, perhaps experiencing--
Nea Munro: I think it would have a number of families who lived together in a community who could be virtual patients for the nurse practitioner student's clinical practice - a virtual clinical practice site.
Drew Rodinia: Ariadne, could you give an example? (of the risk taking)
Dunora Allen: Although one problem that I've found is the initial learning curve is a little steep for us older students :)
Ida Recreant: Dunora, Amen to that!
Computer Jewell: I agree abut the learning curve!!!
Drew Rodinia: Nea, so some role playing?
Joe Cupola: Juliaj I think it definitely could be.
JuliaJ Jewell: I agree
Ida Recreant: Nea, I like that idea; I'd like to do something similar
You: Dunora, it's steep for younger users as well . It's something to consider in planning a course here.
Kate Bradley: we are exploring role play for our classes
JuliaJ Jewell: thanks Joe!
Ida Recreant: Of course, in a legal system--but more similar to RL
Dunora Allen: The role playing aspect is interesting to me - modeling job interviews, etec.

Nea Munro: Yes, role playing where faculty may model psychotherapy by having a student as a patient, and also by having students participate as "patients' of other students for the purpose of learning psychotherapy.
Computer Jewell: What about the students who do not have the computing demands of SL?
Drew Rodinia: Ida, role playing in a legal environment? Is the environment physical, or is it more about the roles?
Diane42b Vollmar: One thing that has concerned me about using SL for instruction is the technology learning curve, particularly for older students.
Ariadne Yiyuan: I've just gone up to complete strangers and talked to them. I have no idea who these people are. The first time I was shot, I was devastated. But Iearned I could live through anything in SL.
Drew Rodinia: Ariadne, so it's easier to communicate with strangers here, then?
Joe Cupola: the ability to do roleplaying is one of the strengths 2L has to offer

JuliaJ Jewell: adriadne, someone shot you?
SteveGilbertSir Heron: are these gun shot noises from within SL?
Dunora Allen: For me, it was easier to communicate with strangers when I couldn't see them.
Ida Recreant: Nea, Drew, I found the same thing was true in the old chat rooms; it was easier to talk to strangers.
Drew Rodinia: Steve, yes
Ariadne Yiyuan: Yes. I teach languages. So I get some very good experiences.
Nea Munro: I can imagine hiring actors to take on a particular patient - with a background scenario, as well - just like simulated patients in real life.
You: Xena, are you exploding?
Xena Meriman: umm no
Dunora Allen: The visual aspect of this is jolting to me, but I suspect it's not so alarming for my students who are more used to role-laying games.
Drew Rodinia: if you're hearing gunshots, you can right-click on the source and choose "Mute"
Kirstie Merlin: Just gas?
Xena Meriman: no it is something I won, I can't remember the name of it
SteveGilbertSir Heron: Only slightly delayed celebration of July 4?
Drew Rodinia: so we were looking for things that we can do here that help us meet our educational objectives
Hydrangea Lane: how do you mute the explosions?
Xena Meriman: it is a COLOR ORB
Kirstie Merlin: Has anyone (faculty) bought a classroom? As opposed to an island?
Drew Rodinia: and that means role playing, or talking people (strangers) with less risk involved.
Stella Merlin: What is the source of those gun fires so I can mute them?
Computer Jewell: No not yet
JuliaJ Jewell: I haven't bought anything
AmsDiane Gustafson: not yet. where do you buy a classroom?
You: Kirstie, the New Media Consortium is renting out smaller spaces
Drew Rodinia: well, I'm not hearing any explosions now
Laureen Yiyuan: I'm still getting the gun shots
Diane42b Vollmar: i am hearing the gun shots/explosions.
Computer Jewell: me too
Kirstie Merlin: Do they rent spaces or must you purchase a space? We are looking for several campus groups to share a room
JuliaJ Jewell: I don't hear anything!
Xena Meriman: oh my gosh I think it is my new COLOR ORB
Xena Meriman: hold on let me get rid of it
You: There are some rental options - and sometimes you can find someone who will let you share space for a particular time period
Xena Meriman: that's better
Drew Rodinia: if you're still hearing the noises, right-click on the source and choose "Mute"
Dunora Allen: I think that we could problem put together a group on campus to rent a space - a friend and I have talked about sharing a space between her ethics course and mine
Xena Meriman: no, it was me, sorry
Xena Meriman: I stopped it
Computer Jewell: I don't hear it now. Thanks
Dunora Allen: I felt kind of weird asking other faculty about it, but to my surprise I found several who were interested.
Diane42b Vollmar: yes the shots have stopped. thanks!
Laureen Yiyuan: what kind of costs are you talking about in renting
Laureen Yiyuan: estimated
You: If you want your university to pay for space, you may be faced with some confusion - but others are doing it.
Drew Rodinia: ok...although there is no official homework, there are some things I would encourage you to do at this point...
Drew Rodinia: and certainly before next week...
Computer Jewell: ok
Drew Rodinia: write down a list of your educational objectives...
Dunora Allen: And how would we go about making enough money to do it - would it have to be done in real-life money?
Drew Rodinia: such as "role playing" or "language instruction with native speakers"....
Drew Rodinia: and then write down what tools you've already been using, and why you think SL would help out.
You: Laureen - I've seen a lot of sharing going on - no money changing hands - up to a $2000 for an island for the year - to lots more for fancy buildings
Drew Rodinia: What we're aiming at here is to get you ready to explore SL to see how SL can help you achieve your objectives.
Drew Rodinia: Now, I realize that some of you have some very general objectives...
Dunora Allen: Ah, see I wasn't even quite sure of where to start.
Drew Rodinia: such as "getting to know the technology of SL so that I can help faculty who will be using it"
Kayellen Ewing: I would like a list of tools that are available that have helped those already teaching here
You: Kayellen, there are some places to look for tools - ICT Library which is near here is one of them.
Ariadne Yiyuan: Is anyone here from Europe? I'm wondering if I'm going to have any difficulties meeting next week.?
Ida Recreant: I'd really like to engage in more collaborative--cross university uses; instead of everyone re-inventing the same thing
Drew Rodinia: Between now and next week, we're also going to give you a list of SL places to visit...
JuliaJ Jewell: I agree with Kayellen, I'd like to see what has already been done.. that would be most helpful
Drew Rodinia: so that you can be exposed to a variety of learning environments.
Drew Rodinia: Julia, yup! We're thinking alike here.
Computer Jewell: I would like to see what is being done.
Drew Rodinia: now, some of the places we'll give you aren't explicitly classrooms spaces, but they are useful for thinking how they can be used to teach and learn
Kate Bradley: that sounds great
You: Oh - I'd like to add that you want to think... WHY A CLASSROOM? ???
Ariadne Yiyuan: Could we meet in Desi's class and have her take us through it? That would be a nic example.

Drew Rodinia: Some of you have already talked about the issues to deal with, like the learning curve....
Drew Rodinia: Ilene, LOL
IM: Janice Binder: Ilene, I'm feeling a litle lost today, maybe because of no audio. Is there a single individual who's leading this discussion?
You: Adriadne, Desi advertises when her classes are in session and invites people to participate
Dunora Allen: I was just thinking that, Ilene. The only thing that I've identified as a positive for a classroom would be a sense of private space.
Joe Cupola: Once you start exploring here, you'll find lots of places that could be used to teach and learn even thought they aren't specifically set up for that.
Drew Rodinia: Yeah, one of the things we need you to think about is...does the objective I have in mind require a "classroom"? Or something else?
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, a place where you won't be interrupted?
Joe Cupola: exactly, why recreate a "standard" clasroom here when you don't have to operate in those confines?
Drew Rodinia: No worries about power, plumbing, etc.
Kate Bradley: Joe- I agree
Ida Recreant: Yes, Dunora, Ilene, I'd like a private space, but not necessarily a classroom--that's why I'm lookoing at collaboration
You: (Of course... here we are sitting rows facing a stage.)
IM: Janice Binder: Oh, I saw several people, including myself who were a couple minutes late. Maybe a re-state of objectives/outline??
Drew Rodinia: Who here was doing the nursing-related scenario again?
Dunora Allen: Except that I would prefer not to have to deal with disruptive members who aren't invested in my course.
Ida Recreant: Ilene, we are so locked into the traditional way of doing things
Stella Merlin: Drew -- underneath bodies of water in SL are usually pretty secluded.
Drew Rodinia: Ilene, and we're sitting in rows because....(familiarity)
Joe Cupola: Collaboration is another of the strong points 2L has to offer for educators here. It's ideal for setting up collaborations between individuals and within groups
Drew Rodinia: Stella, oh good idea.
Kirstie Merlin: I guess you can really meet anywhere you want to - under water, in a library, etc.
Dunora Allen: When dealing with a new technology, we seem to look for familiar to ground us :)
Drew Rodinia: Underwater learning spaces!
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IM: Janice Binder: Something in mind related to....?
Stella Merlin: :D
Kayellen Ewing: I didn't think about that but I haven't drowned yet!
Dunora Allen: At least I do.
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, it can help in the learning curve, but you can move beyond that pretty fast
Joe Cupola: Dunora, you can always set up your classes so that only those enrolled can enter the space.
IM: Janice Binder: Oh, OK, thanks.
Dunora Allen: Yes, that was a question that I was (not) asking :).
Drew Rodinia: Joe, can that be restricted to just part of an island?
Drew Rodinia: OK, so part of what you may want is an educational space designed to prevent interruptions from non-students
Drew Rodinia: Or, depending on the objective, you may *want* interruptions!
Joe Cupola: yes it can be IF you happen to own that space.
Drew Rodinia: Joe, is the restriction by group?
Joe Cupola: you can restrict access to your parcel of land to those on a list
IM: Janice Binder: Resources and Policy issue?
Joe Cupola: yes you can make a group and do it that way
Computer Jewell: So you have to buy first
Joe Cupola: or by individuals
Joe Cupola: or rent
Joe Cupola: or get someone to loan you a space
Drew Rodinia: So you can create a group for your class, add your students, and then say that only those in the group can visit the space.
Joe Cupola: buying isn't the only option
Joe Cupola: it's the only option IF you want the freedom to build on the land/parcel
Drew Rodinia: You may want a group regardless because that makes it easier to communicate with all students at once.
Nea Munro: I am doing the nursing scenario
Joe Cupola: yes it does
Drew Rodinia: Nea, ah! Let's talk about that some....can you describe it in more would help us visualize an example to build upon.
Dunora Allen: Nea, we have a group of nursing instructors here at UCF who are working with evidence-based practice scenarios - they may be interested as well.
IM: Janice Binder: Is this to prepare for the last two sessions?
Drew Rodinia: And don't forget that there is a Health Info island, and those folks might be willing to provide some space for learning?
JuliaJ Jewell: so, if you have a group, can you then require studetns to be online at a specific time? Could you then print out the history to identify their communication, learnings?
Drew Rodinia: Julia, the history of when they were online?
Joe Cupola: Julia you can keep chat logs of when you were online
JuliaJ Jewell: Joe, no of the communication, such as this email to you right now.
You: Hi! You can save the transcripts of chat for a session
JuliaJ Jewell: Ilene, thanks
Joe Cupola: and I suppose you could require your students to also send you their chat logs
You: On way ... To save a transcript, click HISTORY and copy and paste the contents into a word processor
Drew Rodinia: Yes, chat transcripts can be saved...copied, posted to a website or message board.
You: Or... click EDIT --> PREFERENCES -->COMMUNICATION --> check Log Chat -->(change path) to choose a location for the file
Kate Bradley: Ilene- can't you only save the chats when you are in SL? No history of when students are there otherwise?
Drew Rodinia: So some of you want a record of when students are using SL?
Joe Cupola: you could also probably set up something so that your students could send you a message when they logged on regardless of whether or not your'e on.
You: There are some "visitor counters" that will let you know you visited a place - but I don't know of a way to save their chat.
Kate Bradley: possibly drew
Drew Rodinia: Ilene and Joe, aren't there devices that can record guest visits? Don't they keep a log of some kind?
Dunora Allen: Yes, I would certainly need something like that - right now I have them keep group logs of when they meet, so it doesn't have to be "official"
Drew Rodinia: Yeah, the visitor counters.
You: Drew, yes! that's what I meant!
Joe Cupola: well each individ can keep their own chat logs and send those to you.
Drew Rodinia: Yeah, they are devices that sit in a place, and keep a record of who visits.
You: Is tracking visits by your students part of your assessment plan?
Drew Rodinia: but if you wanted more than just who visited, you could require students to send you their logs.
Nea Munro: Drew and Dunora, I would like to talke with you more about the nursing idea. What I envision is that we could put together a group of nursing educators to develope the idea further.
You: That's the best part of SL! Getting together and collaborating!
Drew Rodinia: Nea, it woudl be great if we could involve some of the librarians from Health Info island, too
JuliaJ Jewell: good idea.... it might be a way, from a research perspective, to have them analyze the qualitative data/comments of the log.
Drew Rodinia: if you haven't had the opportunity, be sure to visit Health Info island....they have a presence from teh National Library of Medicine there
Nea Munro: I envision each university might want to contribute a "family" who could live in the community. The members of the family could be the basis for undergraduate courses, where the students follow the dynamics and life. Different cultures could be represented.
Dunora Allen: We have some grant money available next year through our SACS reaccreditation project (that I'm a part of) for that type of thing, so we would definitely be interested.
Drew Rodinia: Nea, with the families being available during certain hours? A scheduled role-play?
You: Like hiring some actors to be a family? Like a 'reality tv" show?

Kirstie Merlin: Drew, is this first session (of the 3) going to be primarily us chatting and asking questions? Or are there going to be some more concrete things going on?
Nea Munro: I Yes, it would be scheduleded - but it could be very fluid - with a virutal vamily member, scheduling a clinic visit in a NP run mental health clinic, etc.

Drew Rodinia: Kirstie, what we're imagining is that we're going to give you an "assignment" between now and next week, and that next week we'll see what you discovered during your assignment
You: Just pretend you are students
Drew Rodinia: in this case, particularly educational environments that we'll ask you to visit.
Kirstie Merlin: Ok. Thanks.

Dunora Allen: I am still a student, so that fits :P. (ABD on a Philosophy PhD :))
Drew Rodinia: Kirstie, but we'r ealso open to any ideas or suggestions that will help you get more out of this for your own needs.
JuliaJ Jewell: Ilene... as long as I can have my real students help this SL student with the assignment ;,)
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: you should chek the star wars place they have teachers and aprentices, yu have to create a new charachter with virtue
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: very elaborated system!
Drew Rodinia: Jazz, my avatar has to be virtuous?
Laureen Yiyuan: I know so little that I need to explore what is out there, what other people are doing,
Meghan Forder: Star Trek also has a fully developed academy
Dunora Allen: I think that it would be nice to come up with some sort of deliverable that each of us wants from this session (for me, I think that it would be a thought-out educational objective and a list of co-ordinating resources)
Drew Rodinia: Laureen, I think that's true of many of us...many people are trying things and we need to learn what those are.
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: more or less is up to you to create a nice avatar and wise too
SteveGilbertSir Heron: Probably the hardest thing about taking advantage of a new medium is figuring out some new ways of doing our old taks - and then, going beyond to new tasks - that weren't possible without the new medium
Joe Cupola: exploration here is key for everyone
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, yes....that's exactly what I would love for people to write down their educational objective and think about how SL might help fulfill it
Nea Munro: I am not envisiong that the NPs would necessarily work with a whol family at a time, but that stories would be build around the persona of each family member, and that members of the family would interact with members of other families, in a community environment. Things could happen that would aaffect the whole cummunity and the people living there. It would need to be done with a corresponding website, where the stories are developed and published -- or something along this ine.
Ida Recreant: Jazz, there's a star trek academy here? Open to all?
Kate Bradley: Ilene- We expected this to be about policies in SL. Is that another session?
Kayellen Ewing: Do you realize how easy it is to get a speaker in from a foreign country in SL?
You: Ok... we don't have to restrict our communication to these SL sessions. We have a blog...
Drew Rodinia: Kate, we'd like to discuss those too.
You: Kate, we can talk about some examples of policies!
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: i havent been there but i think so! :)
SteveGilbertSir Heron: So it will be useful in the next 2 weeks to "see" or participate in SL educational activities, no matter how rudimentary, that go beyond what we could do before having access to SL (ie, beyond text chat)
Ida Recreant: Drew, should we send those objectives to you to post in the blog? Or bring them to the next session?
Kayellen Ewing: Yes
Kirstie Merlin: What was that blog address again?
Meghan Forder: will the log of this conversation be online at TLT's website?
JuliaJ Jewell: Steve, yes
Drew Rodinia: We can do both at the same time...explore options in SL (keeping our objectives in mind), and discussing policies.
Joe Cupola: Nea sounds like you already have some clear objectives and activites already worked out.
You: I fall goes welll, I will be posting a transcript of this!
Drew Rodinia: Kate, was there a particular policy area you wanted to begin with?
Drew Rodinia: We want to make this fit with your own needs.
Ida Recreant: I think it's hard to set policies when we're not sure what we're going to do . . .
You: One educator remarked that she never thought she'd put "don't come to class naked" on a syllabus ;)
Computer Jewell: lol
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: :)
JuliaJ Jewell: Ilene, LOL... or, don't shoot during classtime
Ida Recreant: That's funny!
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Kate Bradley: well- we are in the process of trying to establish policies for our university in SL
Drew Rodinia: Yes, no guns/explosives in the classroom!
Ida Recreant: Wow, I didn't even think of those things . . .
Kate Bradley: we are wondering about support issues, allocating space, etc
Drew Rodinia: Kate, got it...let's get into that, then
Dunora Allen: Those are interesting considerations!
Ida Recreant: I guess we could start with the SL rules and ask students to abide by those.
Kate Bradley: great
Janice Binder: For future sessions, would it be possible to have some kind of outline? Maybe give some time to each of those with pertinent expertise to have some uninterrupted presentation time?
Drew Rodinia: Kate, does your university already have its own island? Or is it sharing space? Or just thinking about it?
Kate Bradley: we have an island
Kirstie Merlin: Where are you from, Kate?
Kate Bradley: louisville, KY
Kirstie Merlin: What university?
Drew Rodinia: Kate, ok, let's address the support issue....
Kate Bradley: university of louisville
Computer Jewell: I would like to see or hear about your experiences in 2L
Dunora Allen: I believe that our university is still in the planning stages for an "official" presence.
Diane42b Vollmar: i'm sorry but i had to leave a bit early toay. thanks everyone
Drew Rodinia: do you mean staff to support it? Installing the software? Or helping students? Or helping faculty? Or some other kind of support?
Laureen Yiyuan: all of that
Drew Rodinia: Laureen, LOL, yeah, I figured.
JuliaJ Jewell: Drew, all of the above
Kate Bradley: all of the above, we are espceially interested in tech support issues
You: You might need sP.S. I'm going to start handing out a notecard with a virtual web quest on it. Accept it, ok?
Ida Recreant: Take care, Diane
Joe Cupola: well do you have tech support people at your institutions?
Kate Bradley accepted your inventory offer.
Drew Rodinia: do you support the other tools you already have? Such as PC software, webservers, Blackboard stuff?

Laureen Yiyuan: what is sPS
Drew Rodinia: (Yes, please accept the notecard that Ilene is giving out)

Drew Rodinia: Laureen, I think Ilene was typing "P.S." got too close to the "s"

Laureen Yiyuan: she is literally handing it out or should I have gotten a pop up card or something?

Dunora Allen: I just noticed on our events calendar that our faculty center has a seminar scheduled on second life for the end of July.
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: we could make videos on you tube :)
Kate Bradley: we have a limited staff- we support Bb- but we do not have staff to support SL

Drew Rodinia: You should get a popup on your screen that asks you to accept or discard the notecard.
Drew Rodinia: Kate, understood.
Dunora Allen: Drew, not yet.
Drew Rodinia: Kate, is the staff who supports Bb willing to add SL to their workload?

Laureen Yiyuan: I am the blackboard support and I will be supporting a professor if he decides to do it, yikes!
Ida Recreant: Kate, Drew, that's another reason I think cross-universities collaboaration could be helpful; maybe a nightmare to administer . . .
Kate Bradley: besides, the learning curve in SL is very high- how can we expect the faculty to learn to be able to do the things the want to accomplish in their SL class?
Drew Rodinia: Laureen, are you worried about the time involved?
Drew Rodinia: Kate, good point. But isn't the learning curve to learn Blackboard high, too?
Laureen Yiyuan: at this time, yes,
Drew Rodinia: Can you set up the same kind of support for SL that you would for Bb?
Kate Bradley: no, Bb is very easy
Dunora Allen: I think that there is more official support for blackboard support, though.
Kate Bradley: user friendly

Ida Recreant: Kate, I agree, it didn't seem that hard, even for faculty who were not tech savvy
Drew Rodinia: so, we've got some issues of "official support" here....hmmm, I don't know, I know of some faculty who find Blackboard hard to use!
Laureen Yiyuan: there are layers of support, I'm front line, then there are otheres, but not for SL

Dunora Allen: Exactly - blackboard (and our Webct) is an official university product, and has the aministration's support, but second life does not, yet.
Kate Bradley: this is an important issue for us and SL will probably not be used by faculry unless we can solve this somehow
Drew Rodinia: for instance, I used to teach in a department where several of the faculty depended heavily on others to put things into their Bb courses
Laureen Yiyuan: I'm embedded in two areas, ed admin and ed psych they don't take well to BB
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, so my question did Bb get the admin support? It didn't happen all at once, right?

Nea Munro: I presented my idea for a community of practice in SL at a recent Nursing in COmputing conference (Rutgers) and generated a lot of interest. I am now putting together a mailing list for those interested in learning more about this, or participating. If you want to be included, let me know.

Ariadne Yiyuan: I did a presentation for my division and not one person lit up.
You: Nea there are some people here in our college of public health who are really interested in SL.

Drew Rodinia: At most schools, isn't it done with some experimenting, some success, and then, you present to the admin to get more support?
Ida Recreant: Nea, I'm interested, even though that's not my field. The nursing faculty here are innovative and always interested in new things
Kate Bradley: the Bb support is all internal, at first we paid Bb to do it for us
Drew Rodinia: Kate, ah!
Drew Rodinia: Kate, but who trained the faculty in using Bb?
Drew Rodinia: at our school, there wer eendless Bb classes for faculty
Computer Jewell: I am interested in the nursing also.
Dunora Allen: We are a large university, and we have WebCT courses for faculty.
Kate Bradley: we trained them
Dunora Allen: You have to take our IDL course to be able to teach in WebCT
Nea Munro: Great Ida, I will put you on my list. I will extend friendship,, as well, so we can be connected more easily.
Laureen Yiyuan: it is like distance education use to be from the bottom up
Drew Rodinia: I think SL training looks more difficult because it's "messier".
Laureen Yiyuan: creative people went for it and others followed
You: Drew, but.. .there are some skills/competencies that you can list.
Drew Rodinia: so we need help in creating collaborative tools to train educators in the use of SL, maybe?
Dunora Allen: I agree, Drew, and selling it to the administration is more difficult. It's ok for us to "mess around with it" but official support?
Drew Rodinia: Ilene, yup....talking, moving, building.
Ariadne Yiyuan: That's an excellent idea.
Kirstie Merlin: Is there a list of "basic skills" somewhere?
Kate Bradley: DRew- I think the learning curve for SL is much bigger than Bb. I cannot imagine faculty learning scripting to accomplish something for their class. Even building will be hard for some
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, I think that comes with enough time. Just think about how that worked with the Web itself!
You: I know where to get some lists of skills!
Computer Jewell: Where
Ida Recreant: Ilene, I'd like that list.
Dunora Allen: Even if we had a list of basic skills that you could cross off, that would be some help.
Computer Jewell: Me too
IM: Janice Binder: Understood, I guess this session is just too open-ended for a newbie to SL, like me.
Drew Rodinia: Kate, ok, maybe we should compare it to the Web. Most faculty don't know how to build their own websites.
Kate Bradley: Drew- if students have problems in SL, who will they go to? It is not our server and we have no control over some issues.
JuliaJ Jewell: me three
Laureen Yiyuan: I haven't gotten the last note card and would like that list also
Ida Recreant: I still think we're jumping the gun a little bit--it seems to me we have to decide what uses are available in SL that aren't currently available--then we can talk more about support and training.
Jo Constellation: Ditto here
You: Kate, that's a good point. You are at the mercy of the SL servers.
Drew Rodinia: Kate, I see your point. But we do use many products at our institution that are not on our own servers. Library databses, for instance.
Kate Bradley: faculty don't build web pages for their class thoug- they just use Bb- much easier
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Dunora Allen: They are used to getting help for their gaming communities, though (at least some of them are). I hate to generalize like that, but they do seem to deal with "HELP" a bit differently than I do.
Drew Rodinia: Ida, well, I'm all for doing both kinds of discussions at the same time. I know that some folks don't want to get involved in SL unless they can envision how they will support it.
Drew Rodinia: Dunora, maybe it's the "older" students we're most worried about?

Drew Rodinia: is there anyone else who did not get the notecard from Ilene?
Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: me
Janice Binder: I didn't get it yet.
Laureen Yiyuan: I think we have to be pioneers on this one. do it with the condition of being experimental

Ida Recreant: Drew that's a valid point--we have to consider those issues; but I'm still lost with what we will do. We must have a team to support it though, so those issues must be considered somewhere. We also have to consider cost.
Kirstie Merlin: Ilene - did you send out a basic skills notecard?
Dunora Allen: And should be. I have a lot of students in my tech writing class who surprise me with their level of tech skills (lack, mostly)
Drew Rodinia: ok, Ilene will get the notecards to those who didn't get it yet

Dunora Allen: I didn't get that one.
Kirstie Merlin: Me either
You: I'm trying...
Ida Recreant: I didn't get the notecard,
Kirstie Merlin: ;)

Drew Rodinia: hey, at least I didn't ask everyone to raise their hand who didn't get the handout!
Jo Constellation: Maybe you should - this seems to be mostly chat activity.
Drew Rodinia: ok, we're near the end of the time, so let me summarize some stuff, and talk about your "homework"....
Nea Munro: There are people here whom I don't believe I've heard anything from. What do you think of this discussion?
Janice Binder: It's interesting that this is called a "Web Quest." Seems like it should have a different name, like SLQuest.

Drew Rodinia: as I mentioned earlier, I think it's vital that you identify what your educational objectives are, so that you can keep them in mind as you explore...
You: Haha! Ok.... To read the notecard... You can search for the Virtual Web Quest notecard by clicking on your inventory button and typing in virtual web quest.
Hydrangea Lane: We are nearing the end of the hour - I will post the URL for the session website.
Drew Rodinia: the handout from Ilene will give you some places to visit for exploration...
Hydrangea Lane:
You: Yes, it is an SL quest - but based on the old "web quest" idea
Carpe Writer: I agree that an tentitve outline at the beginning would be useful
Drew Rodinia: and next week, we'll ask everyone to talk about what they discovered and how they might use those ideas.

Janice Binder: Yes, I agree with Carpe!!
Drew Rodinia: we'll also keep the discussion goin gabout policies...probably some area outside of just support.
Hydrangea Lane: I will also keep the Adobe Room open if anyone wants to continue the session in there if we have to leave this room.
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Drew Rodinia: we'll put the outline on the blog, if that works for everyone...does that make sense, Ilene?
Computer Jewell: ok
Hydrangea Lane: Drew - Ilene -Joe - do you want to say a few closing thoughts in case some folks have to leave?

You: Yes!
Drew Rodinia: well, I've probably talked enough! LOL...but Ilene and Joe should.
You: Ok.. this was.. .open-ended, huh? But hopefully helpful to find out what everyone's thinking... and...
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You: we've already seen a few people who are ready to collaborate in some way... and...

You: we'll post some things on the blog, etc.... If...
You: there are more questions, please let us know! Email works!

You: And if anyone sees us online during the week, say hi! Send an IM

Joe Cupola: It sounds like people already have some interesting ideas for using 2L for teaching and collaboration.
You: I think I got most everyone into the TLTGroup - and you can click on yourself and see who's online in th eTLTGroup
Drew Rodinia: and we'll follow up regarding the work with Health Info Island, I hope
Joe Cupola: you just have to explore and interact. That's the one thing that's going to help you thru the learning curve here.
AmsDiane Gustafson: My I have a notecard, please?

You: Oops - let me try!

Drew Rodinia: one of the policy issues I'd like to talk about next week is how to address the learning curve.

Janice Binder: Thanks, Drew.
Nea Munro: I hear there is a plan to build a virtual hosptial on health infor island - so we should follow up on that.
Computer Jewell: That would be good.

Dunora Allen: That seems to be one that most of us would be interested in, Drew.

You: Any last thoughts for this session?
Kayellen Ewing: Did we get a list?
Kirstie Merlin: How can we save the transcript?
Laureen Yiyuan: I want to be able to have some idea what to tell a professor about how to get started

Laureen Yiyuan: costs, support, where to "learn" more
You: To save a transcript, click HISTORY and copy and paste the contents into a word processor
Computer Jewell: and why should they consider this.
Kirstie Merlin: I keep trying that and it'll only let me copy a portion of it.
Ida Recreant: Ilene, could I get a notecard also?
Hydrangea Lane: Thanks to everyone who participated today - and thank you to Drew, Ilene & Joe for the session today - we will see everyone next week. I will send out session instructions next week.
Drew Rodinia: thanks, Hydrangea!
You: Yeah you might have to highlight some and copy and paste - and then grab some more.
Computer Jewell: Thank you
Ida Recreant: Thank you everyone.
Ariadne Yiyuan: Thanks you.

Example of a Second Life Virtual Web Quest

Virtual Web Quest about Learning Spaces

Objective: Develop some ideas about constitutes an excellent virtual learning space in 3D immersive environments

What should virtual learning spaces look like? Will they be just be a replica of what exists in 2007 in real life, or will they be much more creative and informal?

Work as a team to identify what makes a good virtual world learning space and why. Be prepared with some remarks for the next workshop session.

Set up a team meeting to visit learning spaces on Second Life.
Make sure you identify a ‘meeting chairperson’ and a scribe to take notes so that you can refer to them later. To save the chat history, click Edit --> Preferences --> Communication --> click Log Chat and choose a location on your computer for the text file.

Visit a number of learning spaces in Second Life using the Resources section below as a starting point, and look at how they have been set up. What are the key features of each learning space you visited? – and how will you know if they are successful learning spaces that help learners to learn?

(To search for these locations, use Search --> Places tab --> include mature content
• SL Ecosystem [SL Location: Terminus 147, 106, 27] – Search term: SL Ecosystem.
o SLurl:
• Academy of Second Learning: ASL [SL Location: Eson 32, 162, 351] – Search term: Academy of Second Learning.
o SLurl:
• SL Computer History Museum [SL Location: Info Island II 241, 54, 23] – Search Term: SL Computer History Museum.
o SLurl:
• EduNation [SL Location: EduNation 70, 49, 23] – Search term: EduNation. Free seminar facilities for educators.
o SLurl:
• Reef Ball Coral Reef Library [SL Location: Changmi 167, 81, 110] - Search term: Reef Ball.
o SLurl:
• English Village [SL Location: English Village 131, 156, 126] – Search term: English Village
o SLurl:
• Literature Alive [SL Location: Eduisland II 186, 241, 22] Search term: literature alive.
o SLurl:
. Terra Incognita [SL Location: Terra incognita 156 99 33] Search term: Terra Incognita
o SLurl:

This learning activity has been adapted from for a more detailed version of this virtual quest that includes ideas about evaluating the activity and suggests some additional outcomes. Visit Education UK island:

Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Australian Educational Projects in Second Life

See _In World Presentation: Showcasing Australasian Educational Projects in Second Life_

Monday, June 25, 2007

Jen Caruso - FridayLive! session June 29, 2007

Jen Caruso is planning on a short phone conversation with Steve Gilbert for the FridayLive! session about Second Life (June 29, 2007)> (Yes, another session about Second Life!) Find some information about her work with her course "The Human Animal" here:'s_Teacher's_Lounge_notes_for_12_April_06&printable=yes. And her Human Animal blog that supplemented the work of the course.

Saturday, June 23, 2007

Visit Desideria Stockton's class June 25, 2007

From the New Media Consortium:

June 25, 6:00 PM SLT/PDT ( Life Time = Pacific Daylight Time) : Take part on a literature class with Desideria Stockton.
Desi has invited the buzz to her class, where you can engage in the activities from a student perspective. Join her at the Women of Brewster Place classroom Quiricosta (219,41,502)

More details:

Friday, June 22, 2007

Interesting presentations about teaching in Second Life

There are some Powerpoints from presentations about Second Life on the New Media Center 2006 conference site. See about half way down the web page for the Fall 2006 conference. Titles of presentations include: "Integrating Second Life into a Freshman English Class"; "Supporting Virtual Teams in Second Life: A Case Study"; "Teaching Undergraduate Research in Second Life: Opportunities, Challenges, and Plans", etc.

If Real Life were like Second Life

Funny video!

Tuesday, June 19, 2007

TLT Group Workshop: June 19 session

Transcript TLT Group Second Life Workshop June 19, 2007.
(This transcript is slightly edited)

[9:28] GemTwin Oh: Hi, that worked!
[9:28] You: Hi! Great!
[9:29] You: We've got some time - but no reason we can't talk about whatever we want! Do you have any questions?
[9:29] GemTwin Oh: Waht is the timeout if I leave this running from now to Noon? Will I be timed out?
[9:29] GemTwin Oh: WHat
[9:30] You: Oh - I just saw your message on IVocalize. You should be able to go away- and if nothing else you'll be back here if you have to log back in again.
[9:30] GemTwin Oh: That's cool. Thanks. Be back soon.
[9:30] You: OK!
[9:31] You: I'm going to set myself as "away" as well.
[9:31] You: Be back soon!

[9:44] Joe Cupola is Online
[9:44] Sher Kohnke: Why is it night time here?
[9:45] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:45] You: Hi Sher!
[9:45] You: I'm trying to watch two computers at once - Don't think I'm very good at it: )
[9:45] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:46] Liatris Tidewater is Online
[9:46] Sher Kohnke: Hi Ilene! I made it!
[9:46] You: Hi, everyone!
[9:47] You: Looks like people are starting to arrive!
[9:47] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:47] You: Oh- I'm animated ;)
[9:47] You: Not sure what button I clicked!
[9:47] You: Crystal, hi!
[9:47] Xena Meriman: I think it does that everytime you actually time something
[9:48] Liatris Tidewater is Offline
[9:48] You: I think I hit a function key - and that might have made me dance. Let me try taht again.
[9:48] You: Yep, something's programmed into my F11 key! I don't remember doing that - but I probably did!
[9:49] You: That's F10!
[9:49] You: Oh well- live and learn.
[9:49] Maggie Marat is Offline
[9:49] Bonswa Boucher is Online
[9:51] Ida Recreant: Ilene, I declined something tha tyou offered. I apologize; I didn't mean to do that. Can you offer it to me again?

[9:52] You: Hi, everyone!

[9:53] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:53] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:53] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:54] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:55] Regent Gazov: hi, diane
[9:55] Diane42b Vollmar: hi hilliard. i'm trying to sit down using my Mac.
[9:56] Regent Gazov: is it different on the mac?

[9:56] Diane42b Vollmar: yes, you don't have the "right click" option on a Mac
[9:56] You: Diane, Jim says try two button on the keypad - and tapping them words for him.
[9:56] You: Oop s - that's "two buttons"
[9:56] GemTwin Oh: I was sleeping there for a bit. I'm back
[9:56] You: Steven, hi!
[9:57] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Hi folks
[9:57] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Sher Kohnke: I have a Mac but I have two buttons. Years ago, with my older Macs, you would imitate the right click by CTR-clicking
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:59] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:59] Joe Cupola: YOu can hold down the apple key and press the mouse button any time you would normally right click
[9:59] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:59] Janice Binder is Online
[9:59] Sher Kohnke: Yes, control clicking
[9:59] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:00] You: Just so you know... You can use the "history" button next to the chat textbox. It'll let you see all the chat...
[10:00] SteveGilbertSir Heron: What is "awsd"?
[10:00] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Who sees what I type here?
[10:00] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:00] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:00] You: the chat in that location since you logged on. You can copy and paste it if you'd like to save it.
[10:00] Regent Gazov: i see it steve
[10:00] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:00] Sher Kohnke: I see it
[10:00] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:00] SteveGilbertSir Heron: What determines who sees what I enter in the text chat?
[10:01] Nanciti Starbrook is Offline
[10:01] You: If you type into chat, everyone in the area can see the chat. - It's like... up to 20 meters away.
[10:01] SteveGilbertSir Heron shouts: Hello
[10:01] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:01] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Hello
[10:01] You: So... you can have people nearby and they'll see your chat.
[10:01] You: Shouting can be "heard" farther away.
[10:01] GemTwin Oh: Where is the World to click on for setting sun to Noon?
[10:02] Cathleen Munro: my system froze and crashed when I first logged in to SL - anything I can do to avoid this?
[10:02] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Aha! I'll bet that "AWSD" refers to those 4 keys on my keyboard!
[10:02] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:02] You: Yes! That's it! AWSD are the arrow keys
[10:02] Jane Watanabe is Online
[10:02] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:02] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:03] Joe Cupola: Cathleen you might have to investigate some tweaks to your system by searching the blogs
[10:03] Cathleen Munro: ok
[10:03] Max Chatnoir is Online
[10:04] Joe Cupola: or you might be in the situation I was in and have to update your graphics card
[10:04] Cathleen Munro: I think that might be it - the error report mention a video driver
[10:04] Hypatia Dejavu is Online
[10:05] Janice Binder: Are we just using chat today?
[10:05] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:05] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:05] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:05] You: Yes, we'll mostly be using chat.
[10:05] You: We all are clumsy in SL!
[10:06] Sher Kohnke: Im here
[10:06] Regent Gazov: so, there is no point in signing in with ivocalize?
[10:06] Jane Watanabe: good because I can't get the ivocalize to work today for some reason
[10:07] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Jane Watanabe, I'm experiencing a sensatoin I recall from 8th grade - the strong impulse to pull on the ponytail I see nearby!
[10:07] Stella Merlin: Hi everyone!
[10:08] Computer Jewell is Online
[10:08] Xena Meriman: Hey!
[10:08] Xena Meriman: Hey!
[10:08] Janice Binder: Control yourself Steve!
[10:08] Xena Meriman: Get lost!
[10:08] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:08] Cathleen Munro: anyone else having problems with ivocalize?
[10:09] Xena Meriman: Looking good!
[10:09] Stella Merlin: I'm afraid I don't have the benefits of iVocalize again.
[10:09] Regent Gazov: didn't try today
[10:09] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:09] Diane42b Vollmar: I still cannot right click on a Mac. Even when I hold the Apple key and click.
[10:09] Jane Watanabe: thanks steve. took me a long time to find this hair...
[10:09] Janice Binder: Are we supposed to be trying iVocalize for this meeting?
[10:09] You: How have you been doing in SEcond LIfe so far?
[10:10] You: Any thoughts, experiences? Questions?
[10:10] SteveGilbertSir Heron: TLTG35 is password today in iVocalize - case sensitive
[10:10] Ida Recreant: I'm doing okay, but I'd sure like to be more comfortable.
[10:10] Econ Bingyi is Online
[10:10] Stella Merlin: That password brought up a Java security warning for me. It did work in the test, though.
[10:10] Diane42b Vollmar: I am very interested in learning more about the instructional capabilities of SL.
[10:10] Sher Kohnke: I need to get better clothes.
[10:10] Computer Jewell: Need to practice more
[10:11] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Ida Recreant - how do you get your avatar to do that leaning back? I s very much the kind of thing I need to do in Real Life after I sit for 20-30 minutes!
[10:11] Nea Munro is Online
[10:11] Stella Merlin: I need to learn how to change clothes more quickly for meetings! I was out shopping for freebies last night and this is the result! LOL!
[10:11] You: Ah... shopping!
[10:11] Joe Cupola: the learning really starts with shopping!
[10:11] Computer Jewell: Freebies - that is what I like!!!
[10:11] Sharron Jewell: I am also having trouble with my hair...looks like two big curls coming out of my head!
[10:12] You: If you are sitting on a bench , it's going to be programmed to have your avatar do certain things like lean back.
[10:12] Joe Cupola: Stella, more of that will come with experience. just have to use it more until you get used to it.
[10:12] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Why are some people listed as "Member ...." while others are not? Sharron Jewell, Sher Kohnke are not listed as "Member"
[10:12] GemTwin Oh: As an instructor, can I add exam notes etc. for my students to buy?
[10:12] Joe Cupola: some people may not have their tlt group activated steve.
[10:12] Stella Merlin: Okay, thanks Joe. But I understand that it can be done by outfit in one click, instead of by individual piece with several clicks.
[10:12] Janice Binder: I cannot get on iVocalize either.
[10:13] Sharron Jewell: I am in ivocalize but still don't have member by my name
[10:13] SteveGilbertSir Heron: We're using a verison of iVocalize new as of last week. We are NOT thrilled with the tranisition. We REALLY want ot know what troupble you encounter. Thanks
[10:13] Joe Cupola: yes stella, go to inventory, find folder with clothes you want and right click and choose "replace outfit" it will change all clothes at once.
[10:13] Stella Merlin: Thanks Joe -- you're my new fashion consultant!
[10:13] SteveGilbertSir Heron: I have no idea how i got the clothes I have, nor do i mind.
[10:14] GemTwin Oh: Are there any free spaces to go to to see examples of educational setting? A classroom, with a powerpoint slides, etc.?
[10:14] Joe Cupola: but it will only put on you the items you have in that folder. so if you don't have your hair in that folder, you won't have hair on when you replace
[10:14] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:14] You: Blog with resources: - see more info about where to shop and find free things!
[10:14] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:14] Joe Cupola: GEmtwin there are lots os spaces to see examples of educational settings.
[10:14] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:14] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:14] Joe Cupola: Ilene has set up some info at the blog for this session.
[10:15] Joe Cupola: you can also search "education" using the search feature in 2L
[10:15] Regent Gazov: i made it into ivocalize
[10:15] You: This auditorium is a good example of an educational space.
[10:15] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
10:15] Cathleen Munro: Do you have to reserve space in advance?
[10:15] You: You can show powerpoint on those screens. You can show video.
[10:15] GemTwin Oh: Can you run a poll or survey as the leader in this space?
[10:15] Joe Cupola: to use the auditoriums you do have to reserve them.
[10:16] You: You can stream music and sudio
[10:16] Stella Merlin: How do you find out who owns the space so that you can reserve it?
[10:16] Joe Cupola: right click on it
[10:16] GemTwin Oh: Can we find out more about that gadget?
[10:16] You: There are educational gadgets that people have that will allow you do to polls and surveys in SL
[10:17] Cathleen Munro: how would you set up to stream video?
[10:17] Joe Cupola: right click on an item select edit then more then object it will list the owner and creator
[10:17] GemTwin Oh: Are there gadgets for gradebook, usage statistics?
[10:17] SteveGilbertSir Heron: How do I become a "member" of TLT?
[10:17] Dewey Jung is Offline
[10:17] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:17] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:18] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Do you touch me on the shoulder with a sword?
[10:18] Joe Cupola: GemTwin, there are undoubtedly gadgets for just about anything you can come up with. look thru the sl blogs, search here in sl, and do google searches for them
[10:18] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:18] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Nea Munro, how did you become an "Educator" instead of a "member"?
[10:19] Sharron Jewell: afk
[10:19] SteveGilbertSir Heron: I feel much more engaged now that I'm a "member"
[10:19] You: Gadgets... The ICT Library is a good place to look. I'll get you directions for how to get there .
[10:20] Nea Munro: I joined the real educators group in TLT and am sest as a member of that group.
[10:20] SteveGilbertSir Heron: How much of this sort of exploration, tutorial, etc. woudl each student need to do in prep for particpiating in a SL educ activity?
[10:20] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Nea, how did you do that?
[10:21] Stella Merlin: Has anyone created a document with the names of the gadgerts and links to examples of how they're being used for education in SL?
[10:21] SteveGilbertSir Heron: [Is "Nea" an acronym National Educational Assoc.?
[10:21] Nea Munro: I cllicked on my Avator, selected Groups, found the Real Educator Group and joined.
[10:21] Joe Cupola: this is the powerpoint viewer I created last nite
[10:21] Joe Cupola: it may take a moment to rez
[10:21] Dewey Jung is Online
[10:22] Nea Munro: No Nea is my nickname as a child, but it certailny is appropriate.
[10:22] GemTwin Oh: Jane's getting a good look at the powerpoint.
[10:22] You: We went to Google and typed in PowerPoint upload "Second Life" - and we found info at an OReilly site that expalined how to do this.
[10:22] Stella Merlin: Jane's got some real star power up there!
[10:23] Jane Watanabe: i guess I am blind my monitor is tinee and I need a close up look. Sorry for being so bold.
[10:23] Stella Merlin: No worries, Jane. Do you know how to use the ALT key for close ups?
[10:24] Jane Watanabe: no. how do I do that?
[10:24] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:24] Stella Merlin: From far away from any object, press your ALT key and hold it, then use your mouse to click on the object you want to view and scroll to a close up
[10:24] You: This cost a few Linden dollars to do this- It's $10 Linden dollars to upload them into Secnd Life.
[10:24] You: Stella - good tip!! Thanks!
[10:25] Stella Merlin: Sure -- it's fun for getting close ups of cool looking avatars without being obtrusive, too!
[10:25] Joe Cupola: so you could easily make up a presentation for you class and do it here.
[10:25] You: It can take some time to rezz each image as Joe mentioned.
[10:25] Joe Cupola: yes it's slow on my laptop.
[10:25] Regent Gazov: has anyone here actually used sl in a class setting?
[10:25] Janice Binder: Ilene, I'm afraid I'm missing something. Are we supposed to be hearing audio?
[10:25] You: As a teacher in SL, you'd want to go pretty slow and make sure your audience was with you.
[10:25] GemTwin Oh: Is there a way to turn off the identity bubbles?
[10:26] Jane Watanabe: hey hat's great.
[10:26] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Most of us are hearing the audio via iVocalize
[10:26] Stella Merlin: The Pp looks great, Joe. Is it the same system for streaming video?
[10:26] Janice Binder: I tried logging into iVocalize (never had trouble before) and cannot seem to get there.
[10:26] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:27] You: Turning off the bubbles over people's heads... Go to EDIT --> Preferences --> General and then...
[10:28] You: you can show names either always never or temporarily - and then click OK
[10:28] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:28] You: You can change that setting whenever you want to.
[10:28] Stella Merlin: Did the ALT button trick work for you, jane?
[10:28] Janice Binder: Ahhhh, doesn't like parentheses.
[10:28] Jane Watanabe: yes thanks for showing that to me
[10:28] Stella Merlin: Happy to!
[10:29] Stella Merlin: So, Joe about the PP presentation -- is it the same technology you use for video streaming or not?
[10:29] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:29] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:29] Ariadne Yiyuan is Online
[10:29] Joe Cupola: No it's not streaming video is very complex...way beyond my capabliites. this pp was the equivalent of uploading pictures very simple
[10:30] Cathleen Munro: how do you join a group after you find it on the list? do you have to be invited?
[10:30] Stella Merlin: Ok , thanks.
[10:30] SteveGilbertSir Heron: How much of this kind of exploration, tutorials would be advisable for students as prep for educ use of SL?
[10:30] Joe Cupola: you'd have to explore the blogs for info about how to stream video there's lots of info out therer
[10:30] Stella Merlin: Streaming video is used also for machinima, right???
[10:30] Jane Watanabe: what do you mean Steve?
[10:30] You: Some groups will let you join at will - and sometimes you get to ask permission to be a member.
[10:31] GemTwin Oh: Is the TLT Group considering setting up an educational space (classroom) that we could all share in SL?
[10:31] You: Machinima usually is just making a movie of what's happening on the screen.
[10:31] Joe Cupola: Thats a good question maybe steve could answer that?
[10:31] Ida Recreant: Can anyone change the slides by touching the screen?
[10:31] Joe Cupola: yes ida anyone can
[10:31] Joe Cupola: so in a class you might have a slide that says "don't touch the slides"
[10:31] Stella Merlin: Machinima -- but there's a lot of editing involved in the best ones. It must be saved off SL and then edited, I should think?
[10:31] Ida Recreant: Joe, that doesn't work if you're showing it to students.
[10:32] Econ Bingyi: Yes it seems to work.
[10:32] Joe Cupola: well, you could put it behindglass
[10:32] Jane Watanabe: is anyone making machinima forlibrary instruction?
[10:32] Ida Recreant: Okay, thanks Joe, that answers my question.
[10:32] Stella Merlin: Jane -- that interests me, too. I'm an academic librarian and I'm hoping to find a machinima for showing the LOC system and finding books.
[10:33] Jane Watanabe: great idea.
[10:33] GemTwin Oh: Could you then post that somewhere so that your students could go back and view the session?
[10:33] Ida Recreant: Stella, interesting idea for the library; our library is thinking of that for special collections--a lot of work, though.
[10:33] Joe Cupola: yes you could
[10:33] Stella Merlin: Ida -- have you viewed some of the machinima in YouTube?
[10:33] Joe Cupola: as long as you owned a space to leave it.
[10:34] Jane Watanabe: i' d like to use avatars looking like entering aged students to orient them to academic collections
[10:34] Ida Recreant: STella, I've seen a few things; not library tours, though.
[10:34] Stella Merlin: Jane - yes! Ida, me neither. But I'm convinced it's out there!
[10:34] Ariadne Yiyuan: Hi. Ilene. Ignore my message. I'm here. No audio.
[10:34] Jane Watanabe: add on the sound of them discussing
[10:34] Ida Recreant: Jane, that's an interesting idea, too.
[10:35] Stella Merlin: A librarian in Australia is already doing Information Literacy teaching in SL... I"m trying to find her name now...
[10:35] You: Machinima: You can create movies of what's happening in Second Life, but clicking "FILE" and the "stop/start movie to disk"
[10:35] Jane Watanabe: much more intersting that librarians... peers avatars talking to peers
[10:35] You: Just remember not to save the file on your desktop.
[10:35] Stella Merlin: Why Ilene?
[10:35] Joe Cupola: those files are pretty big though so make sure you have the machine power to handle them and don't save them on your desktop
[10:35] Stella Merlin: Ah!
[10:35] GemTwin Oh: Is someone trying to edit the wall. The wall is flashing and changing.
[10:36] Stella Merlin: There's a good document in Second Opinion -- Ten tips on Creating Machinima in Second Life
[10:36] Ida Recreant: Thanks Stella; that will be helpful.
[10:36] Jane Watanabe: where does the movie go?

[10:37] Stella Merlin: I keep seeing them in You Tube and on websites, but I imagine you could stream them into SL, couldn't you?

[10:37] Joe Cupola: students tend to be more engaged in the actual coursework
[10:38] You: Stella, yes, you can stream movies- various types of files - into Second LIfe
[10:38] Ida Recreant: What kind of coursework? What kinds of things do you ask students to do?
[10:38] Jane Watanabe: how can I edit the location of the movie?
[10:39] Joe Cupola: Jane, you'd edit it just like you would the location of a word file
[10:39] Stella Merlin: After a machinima, could you do a second interactive tutorial with the student's avatar required to look up a specific book in the catalog and find it in the virtual campus library?
[10:39] Joe Cupola: I'm convinced that anything you can come up with, you could do here.
[10:39] Joe Cupola: now whether or not you'd find a gadget to do it or record it is another story.
[10:40] Ariadne Yiyuan: I missed part of this. Is this powerpoint?
[10:40] Joe Cupola: it depends on how skillful you become in scripting and building things or in searching out places where people have already built them.
[10:40] Klaatu Niu is Offline
[10:40] Desideria Stockton is Online
[10:40] Joe Cupola: yes adiadne it is powerpoint
[10:40] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:41] Stella Merlin: Help me -- I'm ripping through my files in RL, but I can't find the name of that Austrialian university librarian who's doing the "Steps to Information Literacy in SL". Does anyone know about it?
[10:41] Stella Merlin: Queensland University, I think?
[10:41] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:41] Jane Watanabe: Joe Cupola: Jane, you'd edit it just like you would the location of a word file --- it does not give me the option... just start /stopmovie. I've done that but now have no idea where ist went or how to control where th next ones goes.
[10:42] Ida Recreant: Ilene, thanks, that's very helpful.
[10:42] You: Jane, I'd have to look again too - but there is a way to make an SLMovie save to a certain place ;)
[10:43] Draconius Merlin is Online
[10:43] Ariadne Yiyuan: I have powerpoints I would like to try. Where can we go to play with this? Can you use any screen?
[10:43] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:43] You: Ok... mroe questions? What have we forgotten to answer?
[10:44] Diane42b Vollmar: thanks ilene
[10:44] Ava Pugilist: hey roy it is mary
[10:44] Jane Watanabe: thanks Ilene
[10:44] Econ Bingyi: Sounds good
[10:44] Klaatu Niu is Online
[10:45] You: We'll look up the instructions for how to do that PowerPoint trick in SL and explain how to do it.
[10:45] Klaatu Niu is Offline
[10:45] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:45] Ariadne Yiyuan: Thanks.
[10:46] You: OK I justteleported her in.
[10:46] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:46] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:46] You: Desi, hi!
[10:46] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:46] Desideria Stockton: Hi there!
[10:46] You: We've been chatting about educational uses of SL.
[10:46] Desideria Stockton: I had some toruble logging on :(
[10:46] SteveGilbertSir Heron: As we enter last few minutes of this session, any suggestions about next steps?
[10:47] Klaatu Niu is Online
[10:47] Ariadne Yiyuan: Could we do a practice seesion in the audio version?
[10:47] You: Desideria, can you tell us a little about your courses you teach on SL?
[10:48] Ida Recreant: Good idea, Ariadne
[10:48] Klaatu Niu is Offline
[10:48] GemTwin Oh: It would be great if we could all get into an actual class to see how it is used for an online class.
[10:48] Desideria Stockton: Right now, I am teaching several courses in Second Life
[10:48] Ariadne Yiyuan: I want all the details. This is exactly what I want to do.
[10:48] Klaatu Niu is Online
[10:49] Desideria Stockton: The classrooms are listed on
[10:49] Desideria Stockton: these are completely open access
[10:49] Desideria Stockton: that means that you can use them or I can pass you the materials for you to build your own
[10:49] Econ Bingyi: Are there some business courses?
[10:49] Desideria Stockton: right now I teach American Literature, British Literature, and Contemporary Fiction in SL
[10:49] Diane42b Vollmar: i'd like to attend one of Desi's classes if I may.
[10:50] Desideria Stockton: you are all welcome to atttend all of the classes
[10:50] Desideria Stockton: and participate as a student or as an academic mentor
[10:50] Computer Jewell: I would also like to attend your classes
[10:50] Janice Binder: Desideria, can you send us a schedule that would be convenient for you?
[10:50] Desideria Stockton: the first contemp fiction will start tomorrow night
[10:50] Desideria Stockton: sure, I will send out a schedule
[10:50] Jane Watanabe: thanks Desideria!
[10:50] Ava Pugilist: Ida I am
[10:50] Diane42b Vollmar: that would be great
[10:50] Desideria Stockton: contemp fiction is the one that is completely immersed
[10:51] You: Great! This group's eager to see a class in action!
[10:51] Ava Pugilist: working at home with a cold
[10:51] Desideria Stockton: it is focusing on Gloria Naylor
[10:51] Desideria Stockton: and we have three builds for students to use
[10:51] Ariadne Yiyuan: Thanks. This is my field--perfect.
[10:51] Desideria Stockton: Willow Springs from Mama Day
[10:51] Desideria Stockton: Bailey's Cafe and Brewster Place
[10:51] Diane42b Vollmar: I just read Gloria's "The Women of Brewster's Place"
[10:51] Desideria Stockton: Even if you dont teach literature, you might want to just stop in and see how information is presented
[10:51] Desideria Stockton: i am not a builder or a scripter
[10:51] Liatris Tidewater is Online
[10:52] Desideria Stockton: so, you will see how I work around that using existing tools in SL
[10:52] Ariadne Yiyuan: Perfect.
[10:52] Stella Merlin: Desideria, how did you get the skills to design and use a teaching
[10:57] Desideria Stockton: it is a lot easier to get rid of them here than in RL
[10:57] Desideria Stockton: Basically, my advice is this
[10:57] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Ilene, Joe - Desiderata, - any official last words before we move into "afterthoughts" time?
[10:57] Hot Cocoa Latte whispers: Hmm, hot cocoa..
[10:57] Stella Merlin: How about the students skills in SL -- did they all learn enough about SL to allow them to learn the main course content?
[10:57] Desideria Stockton: Always remember that content comes first
[10:57] Desideria Stockton: yes, I always focus on content

[10:58] Desideria Stockton: so, I dont require students to learn much building and they aren't graded on building
[10:58] Janice Binder: Desideria, do you find your students get distracted?
[10:58] Hypatia Dejavu is Offline
[10:58] Stella Merlin: What might they need to build?
[10:58] GemTwin Oh: I hope someone will review the chat. Lots of comments and questions unanswered during this session.
[10:58] Desideria Stockton: not really, Janice
[10:58] Desideria Stockton: if I am missing your questionm, please type it again :-)
[10:58] Desideria Stockton: Students stay focused
[10:59] Jane Watanabe: some faculty here at my institution are concerned about ethics of brining young students into SL
[10:59] Stella Merlin: Desideria -- what might your students need to build?
[10:59] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Desideria, do your students express any surprise at your chosen appearance within SL?
[10:59] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:59] Desideria Stockton: My appearance comes from gender discourse studies on Barbie
[10:59] Desideria Stockton: students only need to "rez" objects
[10:59] Desideria Stockton: so, they dont really need to build
[10:59] You: There are a lot of very Barbie like avatars ;)
[10:59] Desideria Stockton: and, ehtics is very important to me
[10:59] Stella Merlin: Sorry -- "rez" objects?
[10:59] Desideria Stockton: this is not the grid for young students
[11:00] Desideria Stockton: rez means place them down
[11:00] Jane Watanabe: young meaning intheir early 20s.
[11:00] Stella Merlin: Right -- thanks1
[11:00] SteveGilbertSir Heron: What's the implications of the Barbie-like avatars?
[11:00] Desideria Stockton: so they are made by me or bought and then just drag them to the grounf
[11:00] Desideria Stockton: well, even in their 20s, they are adults
[11:00] Computer Jewell: Thank you
[11:00] Joe Cupola: there is a separate grid for teens under 18
[11:00] Jane Watanabe: sex and gambling concerns
[11:00] Jane Watanabe: what's rez?
[11:00] Desideria Stockton: and just like in Real Life, you can model good and ethical behavious and give them good content
[11:00] Desideria Stockton: but in their free time, they have to make choices
[11:00] Jane Watanabe: i agree. what do you tell concerned faculty

[11:00] You: "rez' is making something because visible
[11:01] Xena Meriman gave you Red Rose.
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: yes, those things do exist, but they are aults
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: adults
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: it is like RL this way
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: really and truly, the students kind of stick to you in the start
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: what they do on their time is their business
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: in RL I dont ask
[11:01] Klaatu Niu is Offline
[11:01] Desideria Stockton: so, in here I dont ask
[11:01] You: I think you have to warn students that they might enounter some odd behavior - but I know I've been on a lot and haven't seen much bad behavior!
[11:02] Desideria Stockton: during my class, they are directed to edifying content
[11:02] Stella Merlin: Desi -- I wonder if it's not actually "tighter" than RL, the way students stick to you in the beginning?
[11:02] Desideria Stockton: yes, stell, in many ways they are closer knit in here
[11:02] Diane42b Vollmar: I'd like to know what's the implication of the Barbie-like appearance?
[11:02] Jane Watanabe: i've just gotten a lot of grief from one ro two very vocal alarmists.
[11:02] Desideria Stockton: I did a 30 day research study on gender discourse in SL
[11:02] Stella Merlin: Are your students geographically dispersed?
[11:02] Joe Cupola: implications for what Diane
[11:02] Desideria Stockton: my online students are dispersed, but my F2F students are not
[11:03] Stella Merlin: Do you know if your F2f students meet in RL?
[11:03] Desideria Stockton: I dont look anything like this in RL
[11:03] Stella Merlin: Socially, I mean? Is there any additional sense of community?
[11:03] Desideria Stockton: for my online classes, they do not meet in real life
[11:03] Desideria Stockton: my F2F students are in a lab
[11:03] Ida Recreant: Thanks for everything!
[11:03] JohnJAYARflipper Schumann: I think I finally made it to the right auditorium!
[11:04] Diane42b Vollmar: Thanks everyone...i have to go.
[11:04] Joe Cupola: There is definitely an additional sense of community here.
[11:04] Stella Merlin: I suppose I'm hoping that SL creates RL social bonds. Any sign of that?
[11:04] SteveGilbertSir Heron: I find it worrisome that SL has adopted an approach that makes it harder to identify yourself by your own name and appearance
[11:04] Desideria Stockton: Yes, they do email and Skyupe
[11:04] Desideria Stockton: but I dont know that they meet
[11:04] In Kenzo is Online
[11:04] Joe Cupola: it can stella...just like chat boards and email can
[11:04] Desideria Stockton: Whyt does that worry you Steve?
[11:04] Jane Watanabe: we need to go public and encourage other educators to go public with their SL names n their profiles
[11:05] SteveGilbertSir Heron: It's not been structured neutrally, but rather slanted toward not using one's own name
[11:05] Jane Watanabe: exactly
[11:05] Ariadne Yiyuan: I think if we could just see one of your cklasses a lot of these questions would be answered.
[11:05] Desideria Stockton: Really, I have found that students are pretty open
[11:05] Desideria Stockton: they accidently call me Beth
[11:05] You: I think "not your own name" gives more scope to fantasy and play in a good way.
[11:05] Desideria Stockton: or Professor Ritter-Guth
[11:05] Janice Binder: Desideria, what time is your class (Eastern) tomorrow night?
[11:05] Computer Jewell is Offline
[11:05] You: But I always tell people who I am if they ask .
[11:05] Desideria Stockton: we will be inworld at 9:30 EST
[11:06] SteveGilbertSir Heron: I would have preferred the option of choosing some situations where we would use our own names and "identities" and others optional and others anonymous or disguised
[11:06] Desideria Stockton: also, if you want to get announcements for the class
[11:06] Janice Binder: What location?
[11:06] Desideria Stockton: join the group "Desi's Virtual World"
[11:06] Desideria Stockton: let me toss out a LM
[11:06] You: Steve, some profs go to great lengths to make their avatars look like themselves. It can be done!
[11:06] You: And you can have mor ethan one avatar
[11:07] Desideria Stockton: Bailey's Cafe and Brewster Place, Quiricosta (219, 40, 503)
[11:07] Jane Watanabe: i look like me... just better hair
[11:07] You: One for work and one for play ;)
[11:07] Desideria Stockton: you can, but I dont
[11:07] Desideria Stockton: I dont have two Beths in real life
[11:07] Desideria Stockton: so, I opt not to have two Desi's in here
[11:07] Desideria Stockton: but some choose to do that, and that is good too
[11:08] Joe Cupola: part of the "fun" about being in 2L is the ability you have to assume a new identity.
[11:08] Joe Cupola: that's part of it's appeal to students too I think
[11:08] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Thanks for helping us Desideria, Joe, Ilene. I'll look for you again in SL - and in 1L!
[11:08] Joe Cupola: thanks steve.
[11:08] Jane Watanabe: is that9:30 am or pm?
[11:08] Desideria Stockton: PM
[11:08] Desideria Stockton: it is an evening class and these are adult learners
[11:08] You: Steve before you go... Someone asked if TLT GROUP was going to have an SL place they could visit
[11:09] Desideria Stockton: at DeSales University in PA
[11:09] Desideria Stockton: I am FT at Lehigh Carbon CC in PA
[11:09] Desideria Stockton: and a member of TLT
[11:09] Desideria Stockton: If you go onto the wiki for literature alive
[11:10] Desideria Stockton: you can visit the builds for literature
[11:10] Joe Cupola: yes steve are you going to make the plunge?
[11:10] Desideria Stockton: at present, we are the only literature group here teaching college level countent
[11:10] Joe Cupola: I understand someone has offered space.
[11:10] Takver Twin is Online
[11:10] Desideria Stockton: If any of you need help here, please feel free to im me
[11:10] Desideria Stockton: sometimes it just helps to see different builds
[11:10] learner Bailey: how do we become members of tlt?
[11:10] Desideria Stockton: to see what you might like to belong
[11:11] Desideria Stockton: TLT mailing list, sorry, I should have clarified
[11:11] Desideria Stockton: there are immersive classrooms
[11:11] learner Bailey: ok, thanks
[11:11] Desideria Stockton: but one critique that is fair to say is that a lot of people build here what they have in real life
[11:11] Desideria Stockton: so, I like to help faculty think beyond that
[11:12] Desideria Stockton: and maintain Creative Commons licensing
[11:12] Stella Merlin: How?

[11:12] Desideria Stockton: well, for example
[11:12] Jane Watanabe: cc! yes
[11:12] Desideria Stockton: The Edgar Allan Poe house is completely immersive
[11:12] Desideria Stockton: it is the House of Usher with artifacts from 12 stories and poems
[11:12] Desideria Stockton: students have to read them and then go find them
[11:12] Desideria Stockton: and then report to me
[11:12] Stella Merlin: Do you find this enhances learning?
[11:13] Stella Merlin: More than in RL traditional lecture?
[11:13] Desideria Stockton: yes, in the case of Poe, students really dove into the literature
[11:13] Desideria Stockton: they had to to find the objects
[11:13] Joe Cupola: I seems that anything that would get your students more engaged would help enhanced learning.
[11:13] Desideria Stockton: but, they seemed to appreciate it more than just reading and discussing it
[11:13] Desideria Stockton: the other thing is that they can go back
[11:13] Jane Watanabe is Offline
[11:14] Desideria Stockton: a lot of them went back afterwards and read the stories again to prepare for the exam
[11:14] Desideria Stockton: and they tested themselves
[11:14] Desideria Stockton: with the house and the objects
[11:14] Desideria Stockton: I cant do that in WebCT
[11:14] Stella Merlin: Ah! and how did that excercise prepare them for the exam?
[11:14] Desideria Stockton: or even in a F2F class
[11:14] Desideria Stockton: well, the exam was on symbols
[11:14] Stella Merlin: Very good!
[11:15] Desideria Stockton: so, that assignment helped them learn to identify symbols
[11:15] Desideria Stockton: and to pick them out from a list of other symbols
[11:15] Desideria Stockton: and we discussed why some symbols are more obvious and important to the overall story
[11:15] Stella Merlin: Fascinating. And how about the context of those SL symbols?

[11:15] Desideria Stockton: right, we discuissed context as a class
[11:15] Econ Bingyi is Offline
[11:15] Desideria Stockton: and their reaction papers dealt with context
[11:16] Stella Merlin: Brilliant!
[11:16] JohnJAYARflipper Schumann: Has anyone integrated SL exercises within a CMS setting - WebCT or ECollege ?
[11:16] Desideria Stockton: in that example, the reactions papers and the exam were the assessed components
[11:16] Desideria Stockton: the use of the house was added value, but not graded
[11:16] Desideria Stockton: I use WebCT
[11:16] Desideria Stockton: for that course
[11:16] Nea Munro: I am interested in roleplaying. Do you do any of this?
[11:16] Stella Merlin: What about SLoodle?
[11:16] Desideria Stockton: yes, for the Chaucer virtual pilgrimage
[11:16] Desideria Stockton: students had to be a character from the Tales
[11:17] Desideria Stockton: and go to 12 stations in character and respond to the prompts
[11:17] JohnJAYARflipper Schumann: fantastic
[11:17] Desideria Stockton: at the end we had to guess who was who
[11:17] Stella Merlin: Prompts? What kind?
[11:17] Desideria Stockton: and prozes were awarded
[11:17] Nea Munro: Fascinating.
[11:17] Desideria Stockton: for example here is one "In character, how do you feel about the state of religion in 2007"
[11:17] Nea Munro: Could I experience this somehow?

[11:17] Desideria Stockton: sure, let me pass you the landmark
[11:18] Desideria Stockton: there are 12 stations
[11:18] Stella Merlin: Prompt: excellent for deep thinking and processing
[11:18] Desideria Stockton: Mayfair, 249, 251, 21
[11:18] Xena Meriman: you don't melt
[11:18] Desideria Stockton: the biggest problem for me
[11:18] Desideria Stockton: has been land
[11:18] Desideria Stockton: I do not receive funding from LCCC
[11:19] Desideria Stockton: so i pay for all of this myself
[11:19] RoBoh Ling: the flaming wings is with us at CSUF and is trying tomelt the snowman
[11:19] Desideria Stockton: and i have run out of room
[11:19] Desideria Stockton: all of my classrooms are spread out
[11:19] PepperK Huet: sorry, won't work
[11:19] Desideria Stockton: on donated land
[11:19] Janice Binder: Who is that snowman?
[11:19] You: Anyone know the snowman?
[11:19] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[11:20] Stella Merlin: Oh no! The snowman and the dragon are battling it out!
[11:20] Xena Meriman: fight!
[11:20] Joe Cupola: and on that may be time to close.
[11:20] Ariadne Yiyuan: How much would you say you spend to build a class?
[11:20] Joe Cupola: lol
[11:20] Stella Merlin: It's a mid-air collision of astronomic proportions!
[11:21] Janice Binder: OK, that took care of the snowman :-)
[11:21] Stella Merlin: TLT Dragon is victorious!
[11:21] You: Janice, thanks for coming to our rescue ;)
[11:21] Regent Gazov: Bye, everyone. I need to head out.
[11:21] Stella Merlin: Bye Regent!
[11:22] Savannah Glimmer is Online
[11:22] Stella Merlin: Desi -- would you send us all an SL notecard so we can join your classes sometime?
[11:22] You: OK I think everyone's starting to scatter.
[11:22] learner Bailey: thanks for your time, have to run
[11:22] JohnJAYARflipper Schumann: bye
[11:22] You: I'll post some info on our blog
[11:22] You: And I'll get Lisa to send you all some email with the URL for our blog.
[11:22] Stella Merlin: Thank you very much Desi for joining us and all the useful information!
[11:23] Ariadne Yiyuan: Thank you. I have learned a lot --- very exciting.
[11:23] You: I'll add the info that Desi's given us here
[11:23] Stella Merlin: Thank you, too, Ilene and Joe.
[11:23] Janice Binder: Desideria, what location is your class tomorrow night?
[11:23] You: Desi, thanks!!
[11:23] Joe Cupola: You're welcome Stella.
[11:23] Desideria Stockton: If you make me your friend
[11:23] Desideria Stockton: I will tp you over
[11:23] Janice Binder: I did, thanks!
[11:23] Desideria Stockton: also, here is the location
[11:23] Desideria Stockton: just im me at 9 30 to come over
[11:24] Janice Binder: Janice Binder (RL= Janice Thiel) from St. Petersburg College
[11:24] Desideria Stockton: Bailey's Cafe and Brewster Place, Quiricosta (219, 40, 503)
[11:24] You: Desi, thanks!!!
[11:24] Janice Binder: Thank you, Desi, I'll try to "see" you tomorrow.
[11:24] Desideria Stockton: take care :-)
[11:25] Stella Merlin: Bye all!
[11:25] You: Bye!
[11:25] Desideria Stockton: Again, if you need help, just im me
[11:25] Janice Binder: Bye!
[11:25] Sher Kohnke: Bye!
[11:25] Stella Merlin: Thanks!
[11:25] Joe Cupola: bye
[11:25] Desideria Stockton: or email me
[11:25] Desideria Stockton:
[11:26] Desideria Stockton: how did it go?
[11:26] Ariadne Yiyuan: It was wonderful? I'll see you in your class tomorrow night.
[11:27] Desideria Stockton: excellent!
[11:27] Desideria Stockton: you can follow along with the class at
[11:28] Ariadne Yiyuan: Take care. Ilene, maybe we can meet and check the voice sometime this week. See you. Again, thanks to all.